this is probably going to unnerve some on here or make them uncomfortable.we always hear, why didn't the elders call the cops first instead of the wt society (lawyers/attorneys).
in cases of child molestation or other incidents.this video is why and if you're smart you'll follow their example.i'm not taking the wtbts side on this just so you know in advance because i do not agree with the two witness rule at all.but be that as it may,this is by far the best lawyer/attorney and law professor i've ever heard on the subject of why you should never talk to the police and always let an investigation be made through counsel.this is why in the usa you have the right to remain silent when talking to police/authorities but even more important what the fifth amendment really entails and why it would behoove us all to understand what can happen even if you are totally innocent and have nothing to hide but how things can go horribly wrong.if i ever have to go to court for anything i can only hope that i got a lawyer as competent as this one the vid is approx 46 minutes long but well worth investing that time because if you had to talk to a lawyer it would cost you a lot to receive what this professor covers in this.the majority is from the law professor and the remaining minutes are of a former police captain/investigator with his insights and opinions.and just to be clear, i'm not suggesting that the elders not call the police because they should in cases of child molestation but rather they better get legal advice to protect themselves so that they don't have to answer for the wtbts decisions.look how many former (ex) elders we have on sites like this one and others and i'm so happy they got free of the wt but also they didn't get in trouble by accidentally saying/doing the wrong thing.all of us can benefit by following this advice in the video and i hope you enjoy it and to know what your rights arehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xyp7ee.
do not call someone elses lawyer to keep them out of trouble. if needed, call your own.
I remember drifting around a corner at around 80 in a 40 zone, met a cop going the other way first question was how fast were you going, I didn't get the radar on. I replied I didn't know, just drove the road a lot and may have been over the limit. Had a visit and that was all. You don't have to answer questions in the US
i have noticed, from reading posts on this and other related websites, what to me is an alarming practice taking place within the jw's.
and that is the baptism of kids.. on a recent discussion posted by pe ( video of the girl now forced to shun her sister) this child was baptised at 9 years old.
all of us who were baptised at a much older age know of the many questions one needs to give serious consideration and understanding of to become eligible for baptism, not to mention the two baptism questions asked before being dunked.. surely the organisation must know that children of such a young age are not mature enough to fully grasp the seriousness, demands and consequences of making such a decision.. another point; if jesus is the example to follow, then why did he only get baptised at age 30, and he was perfect!.
a brash self centered bigoted individual makes a perfect elder at an early age. Most of the better ones came from the world and have some bruises to cause empathy, and they are older enough to be considered wise in some part.
this poor girl was baptized at 9yo.
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she isnt old enough to buy alcohol, to vote, to decide her own medical treatment, to buy a pet, to travel alone... yet she was deemed old enough to dedicate her life to a religion that will cut her off from her family if she ever leaves.. here she is applauded for shunning her own sister who tried to keep in contact with her after waking up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yzgnfda8ki.
Someswhere this child abuse. This is not like interviewing a kid who went to camp and got a prize, or saved someone. It kind of reminds me oft the people crying their eyes out when KIMJUNIL died. Gotta do it or get shot. You can bet the little girl knows "the rest of the story".
ever see brother ugly who is 86 being taken to the doctor by sister frigid who is 65 and also not good looking?
they have to have a chaperone or at least sit in back and front seats.
or a man who can't bring the freezing daughter in the house when he stopped briefly by because hubby is not home.
ever see brother ugly who is 86 being taken to the doctor by sister frigid who is 65 and also not good looking? they have to have a chaperone or at least sit in back and front seats
or a man who can't bring the freezing daughter in the house when he stopped briefly by because hubby is not home. wonder how the householder thinks of anyone dragging a little girl around on 20F weather?
if I wanted to, I don't know if I could have gotten very far with any sister I noticed, or if I could even read the signs right. it does seem that people who want to seem to find a way anyhow
reform of goverinig body.
transparency of their regular meetings and reports to the brotherhood.
creating a committee for biblical reforms.
do some real charity
give an acconting of where the money goes
do away with time actually look at works -- leads right back to charity
watchtower november 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "today, a christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover.
) why is this so important?
first, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from jehovah, (2nd lie!
for the most part the sin is getting caught. if someone doesn't catch you and get you to go to the elders it didn'thappen witness the committee with one new elder out to make a point, one who was covering up wife's drunkeness and his adultery both, and one who was a serious child beater to the point of physical damage. so who grieved the holy spirit? the 4th guy involved was the kind who would take the word of a worldly person given as hearsay to another non baptized person, then to the wife as a witness just to make sure the cahrges stuck this particular family ended up in the back room hashing things out with EVERY family in the hall
introduction: this subject came up on another thread and seemed important enough to justify its own thread:.
judicial hearing procedure, chapter 7. recording devices.
"recording devices should not be allowed.
I wonder if California courts would take on a complaint? It seems that there is a "record" kept by the committee. And the communication is Not confined to the parties present. I would think this applys to things like money matters, divorce, things that should be private. In any other serious matter in the world you are allowed to have advice from a lawyer, doctor, or whoever know about the matter.
Around here they won't even let the parents have a say or interject any thoughts, but they are required to be present. so everyone can be properly disciplinned. then it is off to home for a double shot and supper
tax collector guy might help out..
Abishag Poor girl
do you think it would be a good idea to take a collection to buy a zoot suit for tm?
and some orange and green socks.. i also would like to find a way to make a shadow screen to put in the door to answer it when they come by.
don't forget the odd accent..
Do you think it would be a good idea to take a collection to buy a zoot suit for TM? And some orange and green socks.
I also would like to find a way to make a shadow screen to put in the door to answer it when they come by. Except I am still in so I cant. Don't forget the odd accent.
is it a common practice for jw parents to kick their children out of the home, if the child doesn't want to be a jw.
(even though their not disfellowshipped they will still get kicked out for not going to meetings etc.??).
do other religions encourage kicking family members out this as well?
There is pressure from some self righteous ones to kick the kid out. No matter that being in the home is the "law of the Land" and what influence you have is lost once they move. Then brother self righteous and his friends have trouble with their kids, and cover it over big time. I no longer believe in real concern from the leaders.
